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The LDV 2×2 Daily View (12/5/09)

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Welcome to what’s intended to be a daily feature here on LDV: an early preview of the two big news stories of the day, and a click-though to two of the must-read Lib Dem blog posts just published. Each day a member of the LDV collective will take their turn to bagpipe fact into news*.

2 Big Stories

MPs’ expenses: paying bills for Tory grandees
The Telegraph has the most enjoyable schadenfreude story of the day, with the latest set of MPs’ expenses revelations this time focusing on the ‘estate-ocracy’ of Tory MPs. Particular faves include:

  • Douglas Hogg (aka 3rd Viscount Hailsham), MP for Sleaford and North Hykeham, claimed thousands of pounds from the taxpayer for having the moat around his country estate cleared, the cost of a full-time housekeeper and her car, work to his stables, and for his piano to be tuned.
  • David Davis, MP for Haltemprice and Howden, spent more than £10,000 of taxpayers’ money on home renovations and furnishings, including a new £5,700 portico at his home in Yorkshire.
  • Sir Alan Haselhurst, MP for Saffron Walden, has claimed £142,119 for his country home over the last seven years, despite having no mortgage to pay, and a further £12,000 over five years for gardening bills at his farmhouse in Essex.
  • Speaker Martin faces no-con motion

    Controversial House of Commons Speaker Michael Martin is facing a revolt among MPs following his ill-tempered public criticism of Norman Baker and Kate Hoey for questioning his handling of MPs’ expenses in Parliament yesterday. (You can read the Hansard proceedings here). Lib Dem leader Nick Clegg said Mr Martin had “misjudged it spectacularly”, while Norman noted sardonically that “he took off his umpire’s hat and put on his player’s hat.” In an unprecedented move Tory backbencher Douglas Carswell has tabled an Early Day Motion calling on Mr Martin to stand down and be replaced by a speaker with a mandate to “clean up the Commons”.

    2 Must-Read Blog Posts

    Apathy and abstinence (Fiona Whelan)

    Normally I love nothing more than being out on the door step talking to people. But today I feel truly deflated by the number of people who are adamant that they are not going to vote on June 4th because they are fed up with the conduct of politicians. Sadly we are all being condemned because of the actions of a number of MPs.

    My former history teacher, Mr Rowles, would be apoplectic at such a turn of events. He instilled in to his students that we had a duty to use our vote because of the lengths that people before us had to go to, to ensure universal suffrage. I still remember listening on Radio 4 to people in South Africa, joyful at being given the vote for the first time, some queuing for days to cast their vote.

    I too am disgusted at some of the financial claims that have been made, and can only hope that people will turn out and vote on June 4th based on our conduct in representing them at a local level.

    Michael Martin sickens me (Nich Starling)

    Mr Martin, a man not averse to taking full advantage of the expenses system and perhaps, in some eyes, being seen as just as bad as those MPs now caught out by The Telegraph, decided to launch a fierce verbal attack on Labour MP Kate Hoey and Lib Dem MP Norman Baker, both long time campaigners for greater exposure of MPs expenses. … The problems with parliament and expenses start with the systems within parliament, and Mr Martin, it appears to me, is more concerned with defending these indefensible systems and not with ensuring parliament is relevant and trusted by the electorate.

    * no prizes (sorry) if you recognised The Day Today reference.


    LDV readers say: 85% wanted Michael Martin to quit

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    Well, y’know, I’m personally convinced that Michael Martin must have been finally convinced to quit when he saw the overwhelming result of LDV’s over-night poll showing 85% of readers thought he should quit now. So much more likely than that the Prime Minister instructed him to resign voluntarily.

    Here, for the record,is what you said in response to the question, “Do you think the Speaker of the House of Commons Michael Martin should resign over his handling of the MPs’ expenses row?”

    >> 85% (137 votes) – The Speaker should resign now – reform cannot wait until the general election.
    >> 9% (15) – The Speaker should announce now he will resign at the next election – his forced resignation now would set a dangerous precedent.
    >> 4% (7) – The Speaker should not feel obliged to resign – he is being made a scapegoat for the failings of individual MPs.
    >> 1% (2) – Don’t know / Other
    Total Votes: 161. Poll ran: 17th-18th May 2009

    Kudos to Tory MP Douglas Carswell for having the courage to start the early day motion which triggered the Speaker’s downfall; also to Nick Clegg for taking the risk of using his position as leader of the third largest party to call for the Speaker’s head. There were potential pitfalls for both in doing what they did, but they will feel justified by the events of today.

    Daily View 2×2: Friday 4 September

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    Today I went to Wikipedia to see what happened today in history, and saw that it’s the birthday of the composer Edvard Grieg. Quick as a flash, the Kit and the Widow song “hundreds of Norwegians on the London Underground” to the tune of the Hall of the Mountain King rises unbidden in my mind – and with it, memories of the Brent East by-election, and Ed Fordham’s uncanny rendition of “Can you tell me please – where can Dollis Hill be found?” For many of you, this will mean nothing, but I’m hoping a significant number of you will be humming the Hall of the Mountain King all day in sympathy.

    Two big stories

    There’s only one big story today; it broke on the blogs last night and dominates the headlines this morning. Aide quits. Blow to Brown. Afghanistan policy in tatters. Humiliated defence secretary. Read all about it in the Guardian, the Times and the Telegraph.

    Read, too, Eric Joyce’s tweet about the whole thing – 140 characters allow him to say “In lounge at Euston, waiting for train after speech to UKNDA. Big ugly mug on giant screens. Everything seems pretty shit, actually.”

    My second pick of the stories is the glum news that Britain will be the last to leave the recession behind:

    The UK economy will shrink in the third quarter and register zero growth in the fourth quarter, while America’s economy will grow by 2.4 per cent in the fourth quarter and the euro Area’s will increase by 2 per cent.

    The forecast will come as a blow to Alistair Darling, who in an newspaper interview on Thursday reiterated that he believed the economy would return to growth by the end of the year with Britain experiencing a V-shaped recession.

    Two must-read blog posts

    Mark Reckons meets A Man with a Plan. It’s a good interview, and eminently readable even for those of us who aren’t familiar with Tory MP Dougless Carswell or his work. It does just leave me a little champing at the bit for questions unasked. How will he pay for open primaries? How does he avoid the tyranny of the majority amongst all the sheriffs, recalls and referendums?

    Costigan Quist talks… erm… spherical barcharts.

    Take your opinion polls and draw a graph. But instead of making it a bar chart, use the height of each line as the diameter of a circle. Looking at a circle, we see the area of course. Think back to your GCSE maths. The Conservatives have about 2.5 times the support of the Lib Dems, but the Tory circle is six times bigger that the yellow one.

    Coming up on Lib Dem Voice later today: Is Mandelson losing the battle with the pirates? And just how do councillors spend their time? Mark Pack reports.

    What makes a ‘good’ MP?

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    Well, there has been plenty in the news recently about what makes a ‘bad’ MP so we at Yoosk thought that it might be a good idea to focus for a while on the qualities of a ‘good’ MP. End the year on a positive note.

    And that is why we started our ‘Britain’s Best MP’ campaign two weeks ago. We want to find out who the good MPs are and what differentiates them from the rest. We asked our users at Yoosk to nominate their candidates and these are the people they put forward:

    Gisela Stuart (Lab)
    Lynne Featherstone (LibDem)
    Bob Russell (LibDem)
    Chris Mullin (Lab)
    Douglas Carswell (Con)
    Tom Harris (Lab)
    Jo Swinson (LibDem)
    David Howarth (LibDem)

    We are not suggesting that this is a definitive list of the best MPs in Britain but they are all MPs with qualities that our users think are worth recognition:

    Gisela Stuart: ‘…..for standing up for what she believes in…’

    Bob Russell: ‘…..a fanatic about his town of Colchester, has one of the best attendance voting records in the country….’

    Douglas Carswell: ‘…..one of the few MPs to consistently call for reform of parliament and criticise the concept of safe seats….’

    What we are doing now, is asking people to post questions on our website which should be aimed at allowing us to define what qualities make a good MP, for example, jamesfmevans is asking:

    ‘Should I vote for you as a representative of your party, or as someone who will do your best to make your party do what you want whether or not that is official party policy?’

    Users of Yoosk can vote for the questions they like and the top five will be answered by all candidates, their answers recorded on video and posted on Yoosk for our users to rate and decide who is their ‘Best MP’ – a kind of ‘Online Question Time’.

    If you would like to post your own question, please visit our site here, and click the ‘ask’ button in the panel at the bottom of the page (you will be asked to register with Yoosk which is easy, but will require an email address, username and password). Alternatively, you can add your question as a comment here or Twit it to #bestMP and we will pick it up and post it on our website for you. Submission and voting on questions closes on the 13th December and we hope to get answers on the site as soon as possible after that.

    The more people who are involved in this dialogue, the better of course so, if you have a few moments please head over to our site and take a look at what we are doing and feel free to join in.

    Britain’s best MP competition: the results

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    Our ‘Britain’s Best MP’ competition has come to a close with Douglas Carswell, Conservative MP for Harwich, a clear winner. The final results are:

    Douglas Carswell 47%
    Gisela Stuart 16%
    Tom Harris 12%
    Lynne Featherstone 9%
    Bob Russell 6%
    Jo Swinson 6%
    David Howarth 2%
    Chris Mullin 2%

    I appreciate that the results do not make happy reading for visitors to this site and the results of online polls cannot be taken too seriously, but please don’t dismiss this competition just yet.

    Whilst acknowledging that our hope of getting people to listen to the MPs answers and then vote for their ‘best MP’ based on what they heard probably was not realised (David Howarth and Chris Mullin gave very good answers yet polled only 2% each), we take several positives from this:

  • we promoted engagement between the general public and our politicians – five ordinary members of the public had their questions answered by eight MPs.
  • by requesting short answers from MPs and editing the answers from all eight onto one video clip, answers could be published in an accessible way and it was easy to compare and contrast what each person had to say (over 800 views registered on youtube)
  • the exercise raised some interesting issues and generated some online debate, here for example by Lib Dem Voice’s Mark Pack
  • 1,087 people voted in the poll – not a huge number, I know, but not bad for a political issue and relatively new website like Yoosk
  • the results of the poll do tell us something – the top 3 MPs all have an online presence where they mentioned this competition: Douglas Carswell, Gisela Stuart and Tom Harris (these ‘mentions’ also provide interesting reading)
  • the whole thing was conducted with no talk of ‘expenses’
  • This is our take on it, and naturally we would like to focus on the positives. We would also like to hear your views though and would welcome any feedback.

    Finally, Many Thanks to Lib Dem Voice for giving us a ‘voice’ and to anyone who took the time to read what I’ve been saying here or to visit our website.

    PMQs: Hattie opens up the Coalition’s Grand Canyon

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    I feel as though Norris McWhirter (late of the Guinness Book of Records) ought to have been kneeling at the foot of the Speaker’s Chair with his stopwatch for this momentous Prime Minister’s Questions. There were several records or firsts being set. The first coalition PMQs ever, I would suggest (I doubt whether Winnie or Ramsay or our David held such events). The first with Liberal Democrats on the government benches. The first with a party sporting its second female leader (Margaret Beckett was acting Labour leader after John Smith died). And it’s 13 long years since we had a PMQs with a Labour leader asking the questions (have they remembered how to do it?). Phew!

    It all certainly makes a change from Brown and Cameron bellowing away at each other, as they were at the last PMQs on April 7th. It seems an eternity away.

    In the event, the session was sombre, opening with a statement on tragic events in Cumbria, as well as the normal opening tributes to soldiers who have died in Afghanistan.

    This was the least “ya-boo” PMQs I have ever witnessed. There was a remarkably low incidence of point scoring and bellowing. Amazing, really. Harriet Harman seemed to be going off on a special Harperson “pet causes” fishing expedition but in fact managed to very cleverly, deftly and humourously highlight a Grand Canyon within the coalition by bashing Cameron about the plans for a Married Couples tax allowance.

    Here’s how the session unfolded:

    Douglas Carswell (Con) started with a refreshing attack (coming from a Tory) on the House of Lords – “the biggest quango of the lot”. Hear! Hear!

    Cameron: There will be a draft motion by December on a predominantly elected second chamber. Hurrah!

    Harriet Harman started with a question about the blockade of Gaza. No Ya-boo there.

    Cameron replied: We should do everything we can to make sure this doesn’t happen again. We should do everything we can through the UN to end the blockade. I count myself as a friend of Israel – it’s in their own interests to lift the blockade.

    Harman then asked about prosecuting rape cases. She said that by making rape defendants anonymous it’ll be harder to convict, by reducing publicity which brings forward witnesses.

    Cameron: I sat on the Select Committee which examined this. Came to the conclusion that between arrest and charge there is a case for anonymity – will bring forward proposals for debate in the House.

    Harman pushes this one: By singling out rape in this way sends out a message that the alleged rape victim is not to be believed.

    Cameron banged the dispatch box saying: We want to send more rapists to jail.

    Harman said his response was disappointing. Then went on to the married tax allowance. How would this help the deficit?

    Cameron: Unashamed supporter of the family. European countries recognize marriage in the tax system. Proposals will come forward. Christmas parties and parking bikes at work are recognized in the tax system – why not marriage? Eh?

    Harman: How will this help the deficit control?

    Cameron: One of the causes of spending is family breakdown. Will also recognize civil partnerships also.

    Harman: £3 a week tax break will help keep families together he is saying. No wonder the Deputy Prime Minister is sitting quietly by his side. On this one I agree with Nick! (Nice one Hattie!)

    Cameron then descended into a point scoring exercise which I didn’t follow.

    A Liberal Democrat question! Sir Alan of the Beith. What means will be used to expand the private sector in places like the North East?

    Cameron: No region should be singled out. Budget should bring forward ideas to fire up the private sector – e.g. N.I. not paid on first ten employees. The government is looking at ideas to help regions as we deal with the deficit.

    A Labour member raised a very important point about school building in the wake of the free schools initiative. Cameron pointed out that the schools budget was protected in the recent cuts. He said: Our passion is to build schools for the future.

    There was a good line from Cameron when he received rowdy disapproval for promising to come back with an answer. Then he said the good line: “Well it’s a funny thing, I’m going to give accurate answers rather than making them up on the spot”.

    A line about “We’re all united in despising the Liberal Democrats” from a Labour MP received a big laugh but then the Speaker kiboshed the questioner for being off the given topic of Afghanistan. Oh, and Cameron was bated for wanting to scrap the Human Rights Act. Labour have obviously twigged that the name of the game is now to open up as many divisions in the coalition that they can.

    In amongst all this there were some balls. Of the golf variety.

    PMQs: Prime Minister’s tennis

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    Prime Minister’s Questions today was preceded by Scottish Questions, with our man in the chair. So we had a real bonus today, LibDemmy Chaps and Chapesses ! Nick Clegg on Cameron’s right and the large granite-like figure of Michael Moore on the left. For it was indeed he – “Most Handsome LibDem MP 1997 -2004” or “1997 – present day” for some, I’m told. Pass the smelling salts – the intoxication of power is overcoming me!

    Talking of people on the front bench behind Cameron, they ought to realise that the camera picks them up. They seem to think if they are two or three down the line towards the Speaker’s Chair, they won’t be seen. But I saw Vince Cable massaging his temple and then yawning. And they say yawning is contagious, so thirty seconds after St Vincent showed off his fillings, Kenneth Clarke yawned. You cannot hide from the camera, all you Government yawners. And get some kip, for goodness sake!

    Basically the main exchanges of the session were a sort of aperitif for the budget, if you really need one. – Which I doubt. Harriet Harman pointed out that unemployment is rising and asked Cameron not to add to it in the budget. Cameron said Labour’s plans to cut unemployment were not properly costed. Harman said that putting more people on the dole will not help cut the deficit. It’s like tennis isn’t it? Back and forward, back and forward. And the MP in the neck brace lights a Hamlet.

    But Harman has hit upon a clever tactic in linking the cuts to unemployment. This will no doubt be a continuous Labour theme for the future months.

    Harman asked Cameron to welcome Labour’s efforts when they were in power. Cameron replied that former Chancellor Alistair Darling’s growth figures were a “complete fiction”. It’s all getting a bit polarised isn’t it? – Each of them rushing to the opposite extreme of hyperbole while the truth is somewhere in the middle.

    Harman accused Cameron of talking the economy down and hurting business confidence. Mr Cameron replied that Labour “did the economy down” when they were in power. Harman said Cameron’s attitude to Labour’s spending plans has been “less magic numbers than a magic roundabout”. Cameron responds that Labour’s leadership race is becoming like a “Star Trek convention”, adding: “Beam me up.” – All fairly cheap attempted witticisms.

    Douglas Carswell seems to be getting more than his fair share of question spots at PMQs. Last time he asked a question which any LibDem would cheer. Not today. He asked why the government are proposing a referendum on electoral reform which was “not in the manifesto” but not one on further European integration “which was in the manifesto”. Crikey. Has Douglas Carswell transmogrified into “Dan Dare” Hannan? He doesn’t quite get the hang of this coalition business does he?

    David Cameron came up with an extremely good joke today (not “beam me up”). Tory Harriet Baldwin invited Cameron to visit a new hospital. The Labour benches roared/jeered. You have to read into that “roar/jeer” that they were saying that this was a cheap set-up supportive question for Cameron from a “friendly native”. After Cameron struggled to be heard, the Speaker stood up and said “It’s in the rules of the House that it is the duty of Government back benchers to support the government”. Cameron, displaying a remarkably quick wit (I can’t believe I am praising the man so readily these days – oh, the joys of coalition!) replied “We all remember you doing that so well”. The Speaker, John Bercow was very amused at this because he was known as a bit of a thorn in the side of the Conservative benches (he got the Speaker gig mainly because of Labour votes) when he was there. But the Tories were in opposition then, so the joke didn’t quite work but it was very funny nonetheless – in a Commons “in joke” sort of way. This is what passes for humour at PMQs. We have to enjoy any light relief on offer really, and be grateful for it.

    Opinion: Delivering local citizens’ initiatives

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    Five years ago, back in the final throws of the Blair government, when Cameron was still hugging hoodies and Ed Miliband was just a twinkle in the unions’ eyes, I worked for an organisation called Our Say.

    Our Say campaigned for the introduction of citizens’ initiatives in the UK, referendums that can be instigated by a petition of a certain percentage of citizens in a given area.

    The campaign wasn’t active for very long but it received cross party support, primarily from backbenchers. Overall, Conservative MPs more than Liberal Democrats or backbench Labour MPs received it better. In fact the Lib Dems’ own Susan Kramer publicly took exception to the proposal on the Politics Show, and of course the Blair government certainly weren’t big supporters!

    Perhaps unsurprisingly given the reputation he has developed since, Douglas Carswell championed the issue in his book with Dan Hannan ‘The Plan’. And the policy was ultimately picked up by the Conservatives in their 2010 manifesto but only applied to local government. As a result the policy went into the coalition agreement and non-binding referenda are now going to be in the Localism Bill.

    The Liberal Democrat manifesto was light on direct democracy and two of our Lords were so worried about it that last week they further watered down the provisions by adding several amendments. These amendments would give councils more discretion over whether or not to hold a referendum and make it much more difficult to hold a London-wide referendum.

    Whilst these amendments are disappointing for believers in more people power and have drawn criticism from some Conservatives, I still believe that we as Liberal Democrats should embrace and own this policy as part of the broader measures in the Localism Bill to devolve power.

    Of course the Bill itself isn’t perfect and there are places where we would go further or pull back, but this at least is a small step towards engaging citizens more directly in decision-making and the liberal in all of us should applaud that.

    * See also the post from Peter Facey of Unlock Democracy earlier in the week about local referendums.


    Registers and recall: I support them both. But they’re not going to clean up our democracy

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    The weekend’s revelations that two Labour peers and an Ulster Unionist were filmed offering to lobby ministers for cash, following hot on the heels of Tory MP Patrick Mercer’s resignation of the Tory whip over similar allegations, has re-ignited the question of how to clean up Parliament.

    Two proposals are being pushed, both of them originally pledged in the Coalition Agreement.

    Register of lobbyists

    First, there’s a register of lobbyists, intended to bring greater transparency to the way in which professional lobbyists seek to influence government decisions. This is one of Unlock Democracy’s top campaigns:

    If we don’t know who is pulling the strings, how can we hold our elected politicians to account? The solution is a robust public register of lobbying. Lobbyists should be made to reveal: Who is lobbying whom; What they are lobbying for; How much money is being spent on lobbying?

    Nick Clegg has promised it will happen: “As set out in the Coalition Agreement, the Prime Minister and I are both determined that the register should go ahead as part of a broad package of measures to clean up the way politics is done in this country.”

    I’ve no objections to such a register. It may do some good and it’s hard to see it doing any harm. But I’m less convinced than Unlock Democracy that it’s the solution to holding elected politicians to account. As the Alliance for Lobbying Transparency points out the register will cover only the bare minimum of lobbying done by third parties — in-house lobbyists will be untouched.

    Power of recall

    The ability of the voters to force a by-election if a petition is signed by 10% of an MP’s constituents has been long pursued by Tory MPs Douglas Carswell and Zac Goldsmith. However, the Coalition Agreement limited that right to those instances “where an MP is found to have engaged in serious wrongdoing’, which Nick Clegg and David Cameron are defining as having been found guilty of something by the Commons Standards Committee. Messrs Carswell and Goldsmith aren’t happy. The BBC’s Mark D’Arcy explains why:

    … what if that committee decided to protect some popular establishment figure, or even protect a vital vote for a beleaguered government? In the 1970s, remember, one of the vital votes which sustained James Callaghan’s minority government belonged to John Stonehouse, who was eventually convicted of fraud after having attempted, Reggie Perrin style, to fake his own death. He would come to the House after spending a day in the dock at the Old Bailey, to vote for the government…. So, they argue, recall is too important to be left to the Westminster establishment.

    I side with the Carswell/Goldsmith view here that having an appointed committee of MPs decide whether the public can recall their representative smacks of patrician half-heartedness. Better instead to have a higher threshold and leave it with the voters. Others disagree, though: the House of Commons’ Political and Constitutional Reform Committee and the Independent’s John Rentoul among them, with the latter arguing, ‘I have a better idea, which is to do nothing’.

    Let’s not ‘do nothing’

    I don’t agree with doing nothing. Politics in this country may not be as tawdry as the media often portrays it and the public often assumes it to be. But it is not as clean as it should be. Money does talk loudly in our democracy. If you’re wealthy, you’re more likely to be able to buy influence, laws and even a place in parliament itself.

    Well over a year ago, I argued there were six steps essential to clean up the reputation of British politics. I stick by them and would argue they’d be more effective than either registers or recall.

    * Stephen was Editor (and Co-Editor) of Liberal Democrat Voice from 2007 to 2015, and writes at The Collected Stephen Tall.

    Clacton and the Lib Dems’ post-2015 wastelands problem

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    Clacton Pier.The Clacton by-election triggered by Douglas Carswell’s defection from the Tories to Ukip will take place on 9th October – David Cameron’s birthday, but also the day after the Lib Dems’ autumn conference concludes.

    That’s not great news for the Lib Dems on two counts. First, it means the media will likely be obsessing more about Clacton than what’s happening in Glasgow (unless, that is, Yes Scotland has won the referendum).

    And secondly, the party’s not expecting a great result. There have been two constituency polls conducted to date (Survation and Lord Ashcroft): both have pointed to a sizeable win for Carswell, who will will become Ukip’s first elected MP, and both have shown the Lib Dems likely to lose their deposit, with just 2% of the vote. That would be down from the respectable 15% we scored in May 2010.

    If that happens, it would be the 10th deposit the party has lost this parliament. The singing of “Who’ll come a-losing deposits with me…” at Glee Club, the traditional end-of-conference knees-up, may have a certain anticipated poignancy.

    Of course, it’s not seats like Clacton that will determine how the Lib Dems do next May: it will be the 75 battleground seats which the party is looking to defend or where it could advance. On one level, then, it can join the ranks of by-elections like Newark and Wythenshawe and Sale East. The party needs to focus its resources, financial and human, where it can win.

    But that means that in vast swathes of the country the Lib Dems will, if we’re not careful, disappear from view. At the last election, there were some 300 seats where the Lib Dems finished either first or second. I’d be surprised if we make three-figures this time around. That leaves a lot of barren areas where a handful of Lib Dems will do their best to fight the good fight but without the means to make anything of it.

    A big priority for the party, post-2015, will be to re-build in those areas. The alternative would be to accept a retreat into our heartlands and ceding our claim to be a national party.

    * Stephen was Editor (and Co-Editor) of Liberal Democrat Voice from 2007 to 2015, and writes at The Collected Stephen Tall.

    A refreshing note of dissent in UKIP on Farage’s HIV comments

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    One of the most awful moments of the 2015 election campaign was when Nigel Farage mentioned “foreigners” and HIV treatment in one of the TV debates.

    UKIP’s only MP is Douglas Carswell. His father, Wilson Carswell, was one of the first doctors to identify HIV/Aids in Uganda in the 1980s.

    So, one expected Douglas Carswell to have some views on Farage’s revolting HIV comments.

    We’ve had to wait until the election was over to hear them, but those views now us. The Guardian reports:

    The Ukip leader, Nigel Farage, got the tone of his comments “wrong on so many levels” when he spoke about wanting to ban foreigners with HIV from Britain, Douglas Carswell, the party’s only MP, has said.

    Farage brought up the idea of stopping immigrants with life-threatening illnesses, including HIV, from entering the country during the first leaders’ television debate during the general election campaign. It later emerged this was part of a deliberate “shock and awe” strategy.

    At the time, Carswell avoided backing Farage and criticised a reporter for “putting a slightly slanted question that will mean I have to answer it in a way that means I’m at odds with my party leader”.

    “I’m not going to play that game,” he told the Telegraph. “I think it’s personally reasonable to want our national health service to be a national health service and not an international health service.”

    However, Carswell has now revealed the extent of his unease about the remarks, telling BBC Radio 5 programme Pienaar’s Politics: “I think some of the tone we deployed, for example, the comments about HIV, were plain wrong. Wrong on so many levels. Not just wrong because they were electorally unhelpful, but wrong because they were wrong.”

    He warned against framing the debate as “mean-spirited” as it could put off many potential Ukip voters who appreciate the fact that Britain is a generous place.

    “Yes, there is a really important case to be made about restricting people’s right to come here and take advantage of our health service … but there is also something fundamentally generous about this country and I think we should always remember that.”

    * Paul Walter is a Liberal Democrat activist. He is one of the Liberal Democrat Voice team. He blogs at Liberal Burblings.

    Carswell, Brexit and Gladstone

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    As we know, there were several fairly eccentric and spurious reasons given by the Leave side for supporting Brexit last summer. One of the most bizarre reasons, however, is that made by erstwhile UKIP MP Douglas Carswell, that it represented the fulfilment of the legacy of Liberal Prime Minister William Gladstone, perhaps our greatest political forerunner as Liberal Democrats. It needs challenging.

    According to Roy Jenkins’ 1995 biography, Gladstone did as much to define Britain’s Victorian golden era as the Queen herself. Nonetheless, his name is only vaguely recognised today-– he died in 1898, on the cusp of recorded sound and in 2002 he was not even included in the BBC list of 100 greatest Britons. Despite this contemporary obscurity, and total lack of importance in the referendum (compared to promises of a reinvigorated NHS), the Gladstone-Brexit argument is no less peculiar – and perhaps all the more revealing.

    Carswell, and certain Brexit allies across the Tory Party, have frequently cited Gladstone as an inspiration. On April 19th last year:

    It’s because UKIP is the closest party to Gladstonian liberalism today that this picture of the Grand Old Man appears in our Welsh manifesto. UKIP – like Gladstone – stands for freedom. Like him, we’re against a big, intrusive state.

    Carswell keeps Gladstone’s painting in his office.

    Gladstone’s career is too epic to effectively summarise– he spent 63 years as MP and 19 as Chancellor, and is the only person to have served as PM four separate times. Nonetheless, there are six clear ideas in his long life, which suggest somewhere behind a famously stern poise, he would be wincing with us in fear, bemusement and embarrassment at Britain’s upcoming Brexit disaster.

    First, and most important, Gladstone was British history’s greatest advocate for free trade. He broke with the Tory party in 1846, because it would not support his mentor Robert Peel’s efforts to reduce tariffs on corn. Their triumph helped the emerging working and middle classes-build railways and initiate a second industrial revolution- whilst it hit the sclerotic land owning gentry.

    1846 and 2016 have often been compared, lately by The Economist (set up in 1843 as an anti-Corn Law pamphlet) and many others, as triumphs and disasters over the same issues of British free trade. Whilst Carswell sometimes vaguely spoke of “soft Brexit” as a path to Free trade – this now looks forlorn, just as was obvious before last June for those of us in the Remain campaign. As George Osborne recently observed, leaving the Single Market would appear “the biggest act of protectionism in history”.

    Gladstone was born less than two decades after Adam Smith died and lived until a decade before the Model T Ford and lived at a time where it was clear trade expanded people’s wealth and options. As he said, famously, money should “fructify in the pockets of the people” – he would be appalled by the impact that the predicted inflationary Brexit crash in the pound has come to pass and the impact it is having today on the poorest people in Britain.

    Second, Gladstone was the first true spokesperson of liberal internationalism. As he said in 1880: “Remember that He who has united you together as human beings in the same flesh and blood, has bound you by the law of mutual love; that that mutual love is not limited by the shores of this island, is not limited by the boundaries of Christian civilization; that it passes over the whole surface of the earth, and embraces the meanest along with the greatest in its unmeasured scope”. Whilst we can take Carswell at his word that they actually want to increase immigration and reduce racism, his choice of bedfellows is, at best, sloppy. In 2014, Carswell rejected the Coalition for Nigel Farage who stated he felt uncomfortable sharing trains with eastern europeans; In 1880 Gladstone left comfortable retirement to lead the “Midlothian Campaign” on a platform of minority rights for Bulgarians in eastern Europe. Whilst he has left UKIP, he is as yet to condemn the innuendo of the Brexit campaign.

    Third – perhaps most awkwardly for Lib Dems – Gladstone was not an unfettered direct democrat. Gladstone “liberals believe in trust in the people, tempered by prudence”. Whilst he knew Tory misanthropy too well, he also knew the fragility of minority rights in the face of a majority; unlike Carswell, he was an “Old Whig” who believed in liberal values at a steady pace. Of course, post-Brexit, neither UKIP nor the Tories are conservative in the usual sense, both are opposed to global citizenship and are radical.

    Fourth, Gladstone actually achieved greatness through legislative action and an appetite for the more boring administrative side of politics. In 1853, his Budget lasted 5 hours and as historian H. C. G. Matthew wrote, Gladstone “made finance and figures exciting, and succeeded in constructing budget speeches epic in form and performance”. Gladstone cut taxes on consumer goods, and kick-started mass newspaper publishing by cutting paper duties in 1860. In contrast, Carswell, like most Brexit leaders, have thus far shied away from government responsibility, despite starting off as ambitious – and capable – young Tories.

    Fifth and most dangerously, in later life, Gladstone made his “mission to pacify Ireland” with Home Rule. Hard Brexit and the prospect of a hard land border with Ireland represents the biggest present threat to peace in Ireland.

    Sixth, and perhaps most germane, Gladstone made clear his support for the “Concert of Europe” throughout his career and said in 1888 that “We are part of the community of Europe and must do our duty as such”.

    The imprecise image of Gladstone is vulnerable to those seeking a blank canvas on which to paint a new utopia, like Brexit. Gladstone, in reality, personified the self-confidence of the Victorian age which used trade to make our small island the most powerful nation in the world; Brexit speaks of a pessimism likely to do the exact opposite. Carswell should either swap sides in this great struggle for global comity and free trade in our own time, or find a new hero.

    * Douglas Oliver is secretary of the Liberal Democrat History Group and is based in London.





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